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a few seconds ago by jgrahamc

Am I to understand from this that the New York Times (and perhaps the _bien pensant_ in the US) consider mere "comic books" some sort of gutter culture?

My last trip to Paris I spent a long time in these "comic book" stores. They are absolute goldmines with passionate and knowledgeable staff and incredible selections.

4 hours ago by jacquesm

Comic books are culture. Whether you like that or not is a matter of taste. Personally I absolutely love 'Gaston' and 'Asterix', but also like some other old school ones. The newer stuff I don't feel much connection with.

6 minutes ago by ashtonkem

Yup, this whole thing has a huge whiff of classicism and snobbery.

3 hours ago by yann2

+1

No accident that part of the world produced Herge and Mobieus and inspired Miyazaki.

an hour ago by jsilence

Also the works of Marc-Antoine Mathieu are highly recommended!

It IS culture.

3 hours ago by makeitdouble

Why is this pass described like in a vacuum when the country we’re still in a middle of a pandemic ?

> They can purchase tickets to movie showings, plays, concerts or museum exhibits. And they can sign up for dance, painting or drawing classes.

Oh you mean they didn’t rush to the theaters, that also were only reopened a few weeks ago, with many closing again ?

And the pass has limitation on what can be bought, only part of it can be spent online, and content or production has to be french and approved by the gov., which really reduces the options.

All in all this is to me a weird take on the situation.

3 hours ago by 0xTJ

Comic books are definitely culture. It's art and story-telling. They're at least as worthy of the title as any other book they might buy.

Sure, broadening their culture horizons would be good, if it was easy to enforce spending it on something you don't currently embrace.

I wished, and still wish, I had money that I could justify spending to buy comic books and getting into that.

I'm really not a fan of that sensationalist headline, trying to drive up outrage on both sides, ven though it doesn't say whether buying comic books is good or bad in the headline. The article even gives examples of how it can be beneficial, like teenagers buying from comics local shops instead of going online, or buying records locally, but ignores the fact that there's a pandemic that makes it hard to enjoy certain forms of entertainment that are pushed by this program. Overall, I don't think this is great and honest journalism, even if the content itself is interesting.

an hour ago by GuB-42

Here is the website for the initiative https://pass.culture.fr/

Manga is explicitly mentioned in the introduction. If the government didn't want teens to buy comics, they would have excluded it, and most importantly, not mention manga on the front page!

If by that initiative, they get teens to go to their local bookstore instead of ordering their comics on Amazon, it is a huge win, and one of the big reasons this pass exists.

5 hours ago by jjgreen

I'm not sure why the NYT would find this surprising, it is le neuvième art.

28 minutes ago by mimixco

The NYT title is intentionally derisive and xenophobic. The words "comic books" and the French term bandes dessinées relate to two entirely different experiences.

In the US, comics are considered by the masses to be the bane of pubescent boys or puerile adults obsessed with superheros and cosplay.

In France, graphic books (they're not all novels) are an elevated and widely-used cultural resource. They're found in educated bookstores, museum shops, libraries, and basically everywhere. And you know what? They're terrific!

France (and Belgium) have access to wonderful historical series on every period you can name. Tons of biographies of famous, real people. And beautiful, illustrated tomes which they can use to spark their imagination and learning.

It would be more accurate to say that Americans aren't spending money on graphically illustrated books because that's not an accepted part of our culture here, rather than to try to slam the French for something cool that works well for them.

See also: Scott's McCloud's Reinventing Comics [0] and BDfugue [1], a terrific online store for bandes dessinées.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinventing_Comics

[1] https://www.bdfugue.com/

a minute ago by derefr

The NYT is using that term because most Americans have never even heard the closer English-language term "graphic novels", and wouldn't know what it meant.

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